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A Crossover season with 3rd/4th graders

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9:52 am
December 6, 2011


brendangill

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Practice starts this week for the boys Rec. team I am coaching and I'll be using methods and ideas I've learned from reading Brian's books and blog, and twitter, and, and (really, Brian's production is prodigious and gives and for that, I am thankful).

Some background: I've coached high school boys and girls hoops for 8 years. Unfortunately, none of them before I was turned on to the Crossover Movement. I stopped coaching about 7 years ago when my kids were born. In the interim, I started reading Brian's books and just about anything other resource he put out there.

I know that this first year of implementing a new philosophy will be rough at times, and my complete grasp of all that is the Crossover Movement still needs work, but I'm looking forward to the season.

Here's what I plan on doing this week:

  1. Dynamic Warmups
  2. 5X Front lunge
  3. 5X Drop squats; Focus on a soft landing; land like a ninja
  4. ½ speed jog, down and back
  5. Hi knee walk, skip, then run
  6. progress)
  7. Straight leg skip/Toy Soldier – opposite hand touches tip of feet
  8. backpedal, ¾ speed
  9. Carioca
  10. Quick skips/line skips: feet together, skip on either side of a line
  11. Forward line skip, single leg
  12. Mirror Drill
  13. Lunge Stop
  14. Hockey Stop
  15. Some sort of dribble tag
  16. 2v2 Pass and cut layups
  17. 3v3 Pass and cut
  18. 5v5 pass and cut

It's probably way too much for an hour, so maybe this will be split between 2 practices. Definitely, each practice I want to focus on two skills:

  • When you pass, cut
  • When you catch the ball, be in a Hard to Guard position


9:02 pm
December 6, 2011


180shooter

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I am working on the same things with high school players. Amazing how poor movement skills, flexibility, mobility, strength, etc is in high school freshmen. 

Also, amazing that players do not catch and look at the basket. It's a process trying to develop better movement skills and trying to develop the habit of catching and squaring and passing and cutting. Slowly, but surely, If they build those habits at a young age, they have such an advantage. 

7:49 pm
December 7, 2011


brendangill

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So, first practice was today. The warmups went well, but of course they did: it's controlled, simple and easy to instruct and correct. Players are doing the movements slowly and deliberately (for the most part) so that was not too bad. This lasted about 15-20 minutes (I'm sure some parents were wondering: “So, when are they going to play basketball?”)

Dribble tag was fun. I could tell it was radically new to some kids: playing tag while dribbling. One bold kid asked, “so, how do we tag?” I answered: “with your hand.”

Everything went fine until…working on offense. We only had 7 players, so at first I did 3v3, no passing for about with the emphasis on cutting while passing; they are ready for worrying about squaring up into a Hard to Guard position yet. That was rough. All 6 kids crowded around the ball, several were “turtling.” Yeah….it was messy. 3 ov the 7 kids are a year older, and they played already. They are clearly way ahead of the rest.

Finally, we ended practice with about 20 minutes of 3v3 (dribbling allowed) half court (kids wanted to do full court, but that would just turn into even mroe chaos). I was struggling with should I call out for kids to cut after they passed. I wonder if I should have stopped play a bit more and instructed.

It went ok, but messy. I did like at the end when one parent (who did help out a bit) said, “other teams will be running plays.”

And I thought to myself, “Of course they will. Good for them.”

8:24 pm
December 7, 2011


brendangill

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Post Script here, I really didn't want to do 2v0 pass and cut, but I think I'll do that next practice while doing layups to reinforce the concept, making it a little bit easier without having so much “contextual interference” of having 6+ players on the court at once.

10:23 pm
December 7, 2011


180shooter

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With that age group especially, pass an cut lay-ups is probably a good drill.

As for 3v3 FC, chaos is sometimes good. Games will be chaos. They need to learn to play in those situations.

Another idea, for passing and cutting, is playing keep away games. With 7, you could play 3v3 +1 all-time offense. Focus on pivoting and turtling in the passing/ keep-away games. 

My practices, even at the high-school level, are messy. I don't believe that perfect practice is the goal. 

Plays with 8-year-olds is a ridiculous idea.

2:52 pm
December 8, 2011


brendangill

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For the 3v3, maybe the word “chaos” wasn't the correct choice. I know that a lot of the league games will be players getting steals and breakaways after breakaways (so the 3v3 will approximiate that), but I was wondering if 3v3 would not necessarily be efficient way for all players to work on skills. The stronger players will shine (just like in a game), but I was thinking that the 3v3 full court wouldn't be enough of a teaching tool to the weaker players. I'll try it just the same.

9:17 pm
December 8, 2011


180shooter

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With that age group, try 2v2 Rugby too. That's probably my favorite game for that age group. I'd play it with my team, but I have 15 guys, so we play 3v3 Hockey Rules instead. We played 30 minutes of 3v3 Hockey in our last two practices and our defense improved 100% from our first game to our second game. Not usre if it is all due to 3v3 Hockey, but it certainly didn't have an adverse affect.

8:29 am
December 9, 2011


brendangill

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3v3 Hockey Rules or3v3 football? I was looking through Crossover and didn't find 3v3 hockey rules.

Just the same, here's the practice plan for Sat. (1 hour practice; we get half a court inside).

  1. Dynamic warmups (front and side lunges; Squats; backpedal; ice sakter; carioca; hi knee walk; toy soldier; hi knee jog; mirror drill)
  2. Utah line drills (emphasis on pivoting as players were turtling all over the place last practice)
  3. Red-light/green light (with balls)
  4. Some form of dribble tag (Adi/speed/partner)
  5. 2v0 layups (emphasis on passing and cutting). Right & left side of basket.
  6. 2v0 layups, w/ emphasis on making a move (crossover)
  7. 3v3 half court (maybe 3v3 cutthroat)

9:47 pm
December 9, 2011


180shooter

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Looks good. 3v3 Hockey is similar to 2v2 Rugyby, except instead of no forward passes, the offense has to dribble across the half-court line. The idea is there just to prevent the offense from throwing the ball as far as it can, as I want to encourage (force) the defense to trap, rotate and recover.

1:22 pm
December 10, 2011


brendangill

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Just had 2nd practice today. League game me choice to practice indoors, halfcourt, with one hoop. Said no thanks; we went outdoors for fullcourt, had 4 hoops all to ourselves.

We only have 6 players today. After dynamic warmups we did the cone workout/layups, red light/green light (while dribbling)  and then on to 2v0 (pass and cut) layups.

I didn't get a chance to do Utah line drills, so pivoting is still a bit ragged.

Moved on to about 20 minutes of full court, 3V3 and ended practice with free throws for about 10 minutes.

Kids are doing great with the movement drills; they are taking their time and not rushing through whatever series of dynamic warmups/movement skills we do.

They were definitely better with the ball today.

Looking forward to next practice. We'll have 3 more practices before our first game.

5:54 pm
December 10, 2011


bdailey

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Great hearing how coaches are implementing Crossover ideas.  Had a parent/coach say to me today that he calls what we do FRILLS – because they are fun drills – thought it was interesting.  Keep the blogs coming. 


11:00 pm
December 11, 2011


AT

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Thanks for posting.  I am looking at starting something with this aged group of kids at my school so your experiences let me feel out what I can expect and hopefully gain from insight. 


A quick question -  how long do you spend on the dynamic warm up and movement skills portion of you practice?


AT

7:45 am
December 13, 2011


brendangill

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I spend about 10-15 minutes, with (really) none of the “usual” or old school stretching going on and then about another 10-15 of the movement skills. I try and dedicate the next 20-25 minutes on playing small sided games.

8:24 am
December 13, 2011


180shooter

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It's amazing how poor the movement skills are at the high-school level. Players who are described as “good athletes” but they can't skip or do a full squat and learning new movements is a difficult process because of lack of coordination. I'll try to take a video of two drills that I do – a lateral skip and another track/boxing drill – that players really struggle to do. It's due to a poor movement background and poor coordination even though we expect them to perform admirably in sport-specific skills. I spend 10 minutes on these skills as a warm-up every day at the high school level nstead of warming up with ball handling or three-man weaves like the sophomores because the players need to move better to perform more advanced basketball skills. I finally got my “best athlete” (i.e. best leaper) to do a crossover step when he was beaten while on defense. That's nearly a month of working on lateral movement every day in one way or another and he's finally gaining the coordination to do a  crossover step and the perceptual ability to know when to do a crossover step. If you get 3rd graders to the same point, how much of an advantage do they have?

9:22 pm
December 13, 2011


AT

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What type of activities do you use to improve co-ordination.  Is it alot of skipping, galloping forwards, backwards sideways.


Do you have them do any other activities to improve co-ordination.  do you keep you drills “general” or would you throw in some co-ordination drills specific to bball.

Can you do any of these skills in a games based activity instead of wave drills?


Thanks in advance

AT

10:18 pm
December 13, 2011


180shooter

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Primarily I'm concerned with coordination in terms of the ability to move, so I'm talking about skips, shuffles, crossover steps, lunges, crawls, squats, jumps, hops, etc. Tag games, mirror drills, etc. would be games to add. For coordination, there are some ball-handling drills that I do, like one high, one low; rolling one and bouncing one, etc. Things that force them to do things out of rhythm or perform two discrete movements at the same time (run your tummy, pat your head). Juggling is another activity that I suggest.

There is research out of San Diego that has shown that children skipping important development steps as a youth leads to all kinds of problems from lack of coordination to behavioral issues to academic issues because it retards brain development. They actually remedy the problems by working on things like creeping and crawling that some kids don't do as much anymore because parents put them in a crib all day or things like that. It's interesting research. 

7:08 pm
December 14, 2011


brendangill

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Had 3rd practice (acutally had all 9 plyers!) and did this today:

  1. Dynamic warmups: lunges; squats; hi knee walk (w/ emphasis on pulling knee to chest); single leg hops (in a straight line, moving forward slowly, small hops on either side of line); backpedal; and ended with Mirror Drill
  2.  Dribble tag (had 7 balls, so 2 were it; if you were tagged, you were now it). Spent about 3 minutes and then made 3 players it. Players worked on dribbling while they were evading those whom were it. Kids loved and and we did it about 15 minutes later.
  3. 2V0 layups, pass and cut, cutter takes layup. I'd really like someone on defense, but we're really working on cutting after the pass as the players struggle with this. Maybe at next practice, we'll move back about 10 feet, have someone play defense, so cutter gets pass and then attacks the defender and basket.
  4. Catch and chase: 3 lines; toss ball out in front of 1st player who has to run and catch, jump stop, pivot and dribbled back. Emphasis was really on jump stop and pivot, ripping the ball high or low.
  5. Played about 20 minutes of 4V4 full court.
Reflection:
1. Players slowly getting better at pivoting and ripping the ball through. Need to do more Utah line drills.
2. Need to work on ball handling (baseline shufflle, then crossover progression)
3. Offense: looking ugly, as I know it will. Here's what's happening. About 6 kids (3 offense) will cluster around the ball. The offense is getting good at running to the ball, bringing their defender with them, so, there's no room. It's been hard (obviously) with 3rd-4th graders, to get them to move and space themselves out.
Questions:
1. As loathe as I am to do it, do I need to spend more time on 4v0, 5v0 spacing, with emphasis on the motion spots? (Brian mentions the 9 typical spots in a motion offense: 5 around the arc, 2 at H.Post and 2 at low post). Will this get them a bit more familar (slowly) with where to be?
2. From a development standpoint at this level, would starting to work on a ball screen up high be effective? (especially as the defense cannot pick up until halfcourt in this league). Ideally, it springs free a ball handler (I'd have the screen pop up high for spacing/to create a safety valve passing lane) and makes north/south dribbling (which has been rare through 3 practices) easier.
That's probably enough questions for a 3rd/4th grade team, though I think I have about a dozen more.

8:33 pm
December 14, 2011


180shooter

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I used a ball screen with that age. 

As for more 4v0 and 5v0, that's tough. I'm not convinced that it transfers to 5v5 anyway. Some might not hurt, but a lot probably won't help as much. I think you're better off playing 4v4 and stopping it when players run to the ball or crowd too much and show them the problem. 

I got an email that suggested an interesting game that may or may not help:

Football

Dribbling the ball across the baseline counts as a point. Passing across the line counts as two points, but it has to be completed within the lanelines. The idea was to spread out the players and encourage players who are not confident shooting the ball to attack with the dribble. You could even have a player shoot a free throw after a touchdown as the extra point (or a lay-up if that's more appropriate). 

My team has issues with running to the ball and only going to the right. I've stopped it often in recent practices to illustrate the lack of spacing. “Freeze!” We've had possessions with 5 players on the right side of the court! Lack of awareness. Our problem is getting the ball reversed and going left against defensive pressure. 5v0 won't fix that problem. 

But, for younger players, a game might be a race to get to different spots on the court. Race to the short corner. Race to the elbow. Could be used as a warm-up exercise. Could use questions to as they started to understand. If the ball is at the top of the key, what would a good position be for the other four players? If the ball is in the baseline corner, where should the other four players be? Something like that.

As for the 2v0 and wanting defense, do you want defense on the shot? so the cutter has to read a defender for the cut? on the passer?

10:02 pm
December 14, 2011


brendangill

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For the pass and cut layups, there's 2 things I'm hoping to work on:


  1. Simply, pass and cut. (With the wing catching the ball working on squaring to the hoop in a Hard to Guard position).
  2. When the cutter receives the ball, now there's defender approaching for him, so now it's 1v1. (Not quite Foster's Drill, but I can work both offense and defense. The cutter now has the ball and has to decide how to attack the defense.

I knew the 4V0, 5V0 would draw skepticism, so I'll continue to not do that. Since it's my first time not teaching high school athletes, I know I need to really dial it back and focus on hoping that 2-3 things are really learned with only a 9 game schedule (2 practices a week). I know I'm learning a lot about what they need, but more so about how to teach them, or at least how I think I need to teach them (that's my real lesson: is my teaching effective, re: Wooden's you haven't taught if they haven't learned).

Definitely, I need to be asking more questions.

I like the idea of incorporating the motion spots in parts of the warm ups. 

Thanks again,

Brendan


7:48 pm
December 15, 2011


AT

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Hey Brendan


Just a couple of random thoughts

When you mentioned setting a high screen for the ball handler could you spend more time working in a fosters drill situation where the ball handler needs to learn to beat the defender – would this develop their individual skill more?  I am thinking that setting a high screen will be effective in the short term but in the longer term would they become better ball handlers if you worked on beating their man.  Could you try the dribble at series were if some dribbles at you you cut to the hoop. 

As for teaching movement what if you modified the game where if players didn't pass and cut it is an automatic turn over – play this in the half court situation 3 on 3 or 4 on 4.  As for spacing what if you started playing 3 on 1 keep away for 20 sec and expand the boundaries and shrink the boundries even to the size of the jump circle and than have the offence pick the size that is an advantage to them and have the d pick the size they want to play in. Perhaps they would discover that more space is better and more space allows them to spread out (to a certain point) away from the defender.  Add defender and change up space and see if the offence spreads out more till you get to even numbers.  Modify the game where you must pass and cut through if not there is a turn over.  As more people are added congestion occurs see if they can solve the problem with how to stay spread out.  Just some thoughts.  In Brians games set a total number of passed, number of passes in a row – this could also lead to the best place to have the ball – how to hold it so you see your targets keeps things competitive and game like.  I really live Brian's Long Island passing as well as volleyball passing as keep away games.  Play your games in half court toward a basket or in the three point area.  Stack your team so one wins – why does that team win all the time – hopefully it because they pass and move to open space and the passer is always keeping their head up looking to move the ball. If you can involve yourself in the game and you could model how to move and pass.  You may not need to do it directly perhaps they will just pick it up by seeing someone better do it.


Just some thoughts – I'd like to know what you thing.


AT

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