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A Crossover season with 3rd/4th graders

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10:29 am
December 16, 2011


180shooter

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AT:

Love the idea of manipulating the size and asking the players which size they prefer or which size gives them the biggest advantage. Great idea. 

Brendan:

To work on finishing under pressure, I'll do drills where the defense starts under the basket and then contests the offensive player after he receives a pass from a cut. Getting to a situation of “real” defense and making a move off the cut is difficult because of spacing, at least in terms of a real game. Truthfully, you're only going to make the pass if the player is open. Their defender should be behind them and the next help defender is likely only going to be in position to contest the shot.

I have done a drill where the player penetrates from the wing and the help defender starts in the middle of the key, has to shuffle or crossover step out of the key and then return to contest the shot. To practice the trailing defender, you could have the defender defend the pass and then have to touch a cone that takes the defender slightly out of position and puts the defender in a trailing position.

If you want a more 1v1 drill, a drill that Renato Pasquali (Canada's Technical Director) uses is to start with a line on one side and an offense and a defense on the other side. The first line has the ball and dribbles into the scoring zone (three-point line) and keeps the drible alive. The other offensive player cuts and receives the pass. As soon as he receives the pass, it's 1v1. Defense tries to prevent the catch and then plays defense. You could do the same thing starting from a pass from the offensive player, though it'll be more 1v1 and less of a pass and cut drill. Depends what you're emphasizing most. 

9:10 am
December 17, 2011


brendangill

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AT,

thanks for the spacing ideas. I really think this year is much more about me learning what to do for the young players. Ideas like yours help.

I've been thinking about the dribble-at series for a while. It just seems that with only 1 hour practices that I have to really consider a small amount of things to teach, so I haven't done the dribble-at yet.

2:02 pm
December 17, 2011


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Had 4th practice today. Only 6 players.

We started out with our dynamic warmup routine. And then moved on to the following:

  1. Dribble tag
  2. Dribble chase/cone layups
  3. We played 3v3 football (full court) with a dodgeball. No dribbling. The emphasis was on cutting, moving, passing and spacing.
  4. 1v1 Foster Drill
We scrimmaged another team of 3rd/4th graders and this is where it got fun.
The other team's “point guard” (really, the only kid who could dribble aggressively) yells out “run the offense.”
Their “offense” consisted of two “plays:” 1) running off a double ball screen up high for the PG; 2) Spreading out 4 corners. So, if you're one of the other 4 players, you don't get to touch the ball unless you get an offensive rebound. 
Of course, now my only player who is confident with the ball asks “when are we going to start working on screens.”
Even better was the other coach, before we started scrimmaging, who was talking about how he's competitive and wants to win with his team.
Heading into this experience, I knew that (probably) none of the other coaches would really be in to true development at the expense of “running an offense” and “winning.”
I guess I also expected the players on the team to not really understand the long-term goals I have in mind for them. They grow up watching basketball, or being coached to run “plays” & “offenses” and can't see several years down the line.

2:16 pm
December 21, 2011


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This is our first practice since our short scrimmage last Saturday.

Here's the plan:

  1. Dynamic warmups (front lunges; squats; skips; toy soldier; lateral lunge; heel to backside [hamstring emphasis]; ice skater; carioca; 45-degree bounds; mirror drill)
  2. Utah line drills
  3. Some sort of keep away game (depending on how many show up today). Definitely no dribbling. I like playing with a dodgeball as it's easier for the kids to throw farther, thus making it easier to increase spacing.
  4. Dribble tag
  5. Baby crossovers
  6. Foster 1v1 drill
  7. 3v3, 4v4 (depending on # of players)
In general, the players are struggling with the 2 things I thought they would: spacing and the beginnings of a motion offense. Only 2 of the 9 players are confident with dribbling effectively with an attack mindset. So, there's a lot of movement for movement's sake, not movement with a purpose (think Wooden's activity does not = achievement quote). I need to come up with some phrasing that gets them thinking (and then doing) about movement with a purpose.

5:36 pm
December 21, 2011


180shooter

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I'm stuck in that quandry too. 

I don't want to discourage players from cutting, as I don't want players standing around, but we tend to cut in each other's way or cut into passing lanes at the wrong time, etc. 

It's a process not to take away their instincts, but also to get them to see the value in certain cuts or the value in spreading the court.

The one thing that I try to eliminate is running to the ball. It's why running PnR is a dangerous first skill. I made a rule that the passer cannot set the on-ball screen. With a dribble hand-off, the dribbler initiates and dribbles at the receiver, and not vice versa. 

I think motion offenses are difficult. My team struggles competitively because we're running a motion and not running plays. 

12:28 pm
December 22, 2011


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My players who played last year are giving me the “when are we going to start learning plays” look recently. I know they can't see the difference between long-term development and the Peak by Friday ethos that most coaches were raised with and then continue to “teach” today.

After 1 scrimmage and 4 practices, I think there are just 3 things I'd really like to see the kids learn this season:

  1. When you pass, cut. Move with a purpose.
  2. Protect the ball (pivoting properly, be hard to guard, don't just catch and then “turtle”)
  3. Be aggressive with the ball while dribbling (go north/south, be confident with the ball)
Outside of that, I think it might be asking for too much for 3rd/4th graders to effectively transfer the learning of much more to the court.  

3:12 pm
December 22, 2011


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It's too bad that children do not play on their own anymore. My junior high teams used to fast break so much because we didn't want to run the stupid plays. Now, that's all young players know. 

Even at the high school level, it's a struggle to get all three. I still get plenty of turnovers when we play cut throat with three rules: (1) pass and basket cut; (2) catch and square; and (3) no putting the ball over your head unless you're shooting, passing or making a quick fake. 

10:25 pm
December 22, 2011


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I'm attempting to come up with some phrases & ideas for the players that answer the question “Why do we move on the court?” (I'd be curious to see what the kids would say to that).

Not sure if the concept is way over their heads, but that got me thinking about re-focusing more on teaching where to be on the court, namely filling the “9 motion” spots (5 outside the 3-point line, 2 high post and 2 low post spots).

5-0 isn't going to do much other than turn it into a drill w/o much carry over; with my 9 players I'm wondering if I could play a modified game of some sort of a keep away game. The 5 offensive players must fill a motion spot, or must be moving to fill a spot. No dribbling. Maybe see how many passes in a time period they can make with 4 defenders. Having 1, or even 2, fewer defenders might make it less congested, and easier for the kids to make passes or easier to at least pass and move.

Aside from that, I'm going to try a phrase like “pass it/basket” to reinforce the idea of passing and cutting to the basket. Maybe a catchy phrase might hook the kids.


10:29 pm
December 22, 2011


180shooter

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I tell players that offense, at its most simplistic, is about creating space. (1) You need to create space individually away from your defender, whether you have the ball or not, to create a passing lane, driving lane or shot; and (2) you have to create space away from teammates so that a teammate has a lane or to prevent help. All the other things (screens, hand-offs, cuts, etc) are used to create space or to make it easier to create space. Initially, I want players to get the idea without screens, which is why I start with cuts and filling behind the cut. 

But, that's the idea. To create space from teammates, you could use the 9 spots and show where 5 people fit into those 9: so, you don't want all five in the five closest spots. 

We used to play a game where on a pass, every player had to find a new spot. Something like that.

10:31 pm
December 22, 2011


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Another idea that Mike MacKay uses in Canada is to divide the game into four quadrants and play 4v4. No two players can be in the same quadrant. As you see someone cutting into your quadrant, you have to cut away and into another quadrant to maintain the spacing. He uses it for dribble penetration movement, but could be modified to serve your purpose. 

8:43 am
January 8, 2012


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Had our first game Saturday and a few things became apparent:

  1. Spacing continues to be an issue (not surprisingly)
  2. Defense is a problem in the sense that many players are locked into guarding only “their man.”
  3. Creating a passing lane/getting open
For the spacing issue, I address that in practice a lot. We play a modified football game– no dribbling/no running with the ball – with a dodge ball (so it's smaller and a bit easier for the kids to throw/catch: they'll be more aggressive in terms of spreading out. I need to continue to focus on players making hard cuts and filling in behind the cut.
As for defense, players are literally turning their back to the ball, while its dribbled past them, because they are guarding their player. I want to address this with doing a lot more 3V2/2V1. I want them making decisions, on the fly, of which player to guard. I want them to learn that sometimes you have to leave your player to protect the hoop.
Lastly, while we have worked on ways to get open (V and L cuts), I'll continue to emphasize this, incorporating these into layup, shooting, catching drills. 

9:47 am
January 8, 2012


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Good ideas. I have three games this week. If our help defense does not improve, I am going to do some zone work in practice to get them away from the idea of locking onto one player and following that player everywhere. The transition ideas are good too. That's what I have told my team from the beginning of the year: transition defense is zone defense. 

In terms of getting open, I try to keep it simple: you're simply trying to get away from your defender. Next, you're trying to get into an area where the passer can see you. We have a problem with players trying to throw over a defender. I tell them that if you have to throw over the defender, the defender is defending that pass. Depending on the situation, that may mean that the ball handler has a lane to the basket or that he has to use his pivot foot to create a passing lane or that the receiver needs to move to get the defender out of the passing lane. I try to use keep-away games to practice getting open and passing and receiving skills. 

8:16 am
January 9, 2012


brendangill

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Brian, a side question here. I've read over the years about the differences you have noticed in how American teams and European teams (generally) warmup before practice or games.

How are you having the freshman team warm up on game days?

Thanks,

10:42 am
January 9, 2012


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We do our normal dynamic warm-up. We start with a contested lay-up drill. We do spot shooting. If our time is limited, then we do full-speed, open-court move lay-ups and start the game. If we have more time, we do additional shooting drills, like string shooting (penetrate and kick). We do 2v1 too. Nothing special. The officials here are anal about never crossing onto the other team's side of half court, otherwise I would do full-court drills when the other coach took his team into the locker room before the game or at half time. When we have a full hour on the court before a game, I use it like a practice: I want to get up shots and work on finishing. That's valuable time for me. We don't do any “free shooting” before the game – everything is an organized drill to a certain number of makes. 

9:55 am
January 16, 2012


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Before I was exposed to the LTAD development model, I would have approached the first 10 practices and 2 games differently. However, after incorpoating ideas I've read in “Crossover” I feel better about the fact that the team looks out of control, w/o much of a clue of what they're doing.

Every now and then, there will be individuals who do something simple we have been working on, and that's where I really see the LTAD ideas I try and use.

Obviously, with a 3rd-4th grade rec team, I won't have the same players next year. So, it'll be starting over, but that's fine. Since I'm shooting for the players longer-term athletic development and just having fun, the slower development is better. It's like properly cooking certain things on the stove: at times, cooking at the highest temperature (cooking as fast as possible) will ruin the dish.

We're practicing twice a week now (1 hour each time). I try and plan for about 25 minutes of scrimmage each time. 

I'd like to get better at teaching movement/motion concepts (pass and cut; don't bunch up/spacing). I think I need to use more games involving passing and everybody moving to a different “motion spot.”

We've worked on screens a bit in practice and kids are trying that in games, though only ball screens, which can muddy things up. At the level I'm coaching, passing is pretty ragged, so running off-ball screens to get someone open is something I'm not sure I'll be spending too much time doing in practice.

I'm continuing to do a variety of dynamic warmups for about 10 minutes to start practice, and then about 10-15 minutes of skill development (dribbling, layups).

It's going ok so far. 

4:29 pm
January 21, 2012


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So we had our 3rd game today and we lost. It rained all week so we didn't have practice. 

I guess it showed as we need work on getting open. We've worked on V and L cuts to get open but kids are still running around like mad.

I'm continuing to stick with a “motion” offense, just pass and cut. It's very rough, if defined by looking at what all 5 players are doing. Right now I'm happy with a single pass and strong basket cut. But, that's not happening too much.

It would be very interesting if I could stick with the same group of players for a couple of years to continue to implement a LTAD philosophy. So far as I can tell, I'm the only coach who has this philosophy in mind.

For example, we played a team today (again, this is 3rd-4th grade) that ran a “play” on offense where 3 kids went to the far weakside corner while another the ball handler attacked 1-1. 2 of the 3 “corner” kids were even standing out of bounds.

It looked lilke they were “playing” basketball because they “ran a play,” one of several the other team had.

Meanwhile, my guys were looking pretty ragged with way too much 1-on-1. But, even though we lost, I felt ok knowing that I'll just plug away with LTAD concepts, dynamic warmups (my kids are still wondering what the heck we are doing as none of them have ever done anything close to those) and concepts from Crossover. 

5:26 pm
January 21, 2012


180shooter

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That is the problem with typical leagues. If you chose to use an LTAD philosophy, you'll probably lose AND you don't get the benefits of the players' development next year. Some other coach wins this year with his great plays or great player, and next year, everyone gets new players so his lack of development is not exposed. He's the “great, winning” coach, and you're not. Nobody wants to be the one who loses doing the right thing, so most people take the short-term approach because the youth league is designed as a short-term league. 

This is one reason why I think the criticism of youth AAU is unwarranted, in some respects. Done correctly, your situation in a club environment would give you or your club the opportunity to retain the players and potentially see the benefits next year from the development. 

At the high school level, that's my goal. I hope the players develop this season so when they reach the varsity level, they are better than the players on the teams that we play now. If the varsity goes on to win league, nobody will remember their freshmen record. You only remember your freshmen record if your JV year or varsity years weren't very good. I have no idea what our record was as a freshman; I imagine we were slightly over .500, but I have no idea. I do know that as JVs, we won our last 21 or 22 games in a row and ended something like 24-4. The development as freshmen led to a league championship as sophomores even though we were less successful as freshmen. I think that's the goal. 

However, in youth leagues, without the continuity, it's harder to have the goals. 

Some coaches, like you, are willing to focus on development. Few others are. For all the criticism of AAU, some of the worst abuses are in parks and recreation leagues. My friend coached in a league where the top 5 kids from the previous season signed up after the teams had been picked so they could be put on their own team and dominate the league. My friend's third best player was his son who had Down's syndrome. Those parents and coaches had two very different goals in mind for their chindren's participation. 

Leagues need to take more control. I'm frustrated because I pitch ideas to leagues who have over a thousand players, and they say they have no money or desire to run coach education or coach mentoring programs. As long as they're not abusive, the leagues don't really care what the coaches do. I think leagues need to have a better philosophy and oversee the coaching. I pitched the idea of a Director of Coaching to the local Jr. NBA which has 40,000 players. My idea was for th league to offer the opportunity for parents to pay $1 extra that would go toward the DoC position and coach-education programs. Zero interest from the league.

4:56 pm
January 22, 2012


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There's are several reasons why there is not a basketball culture in my town. You never see kids playing on any outdoor hoops here. The top three reasons why basketball is not king are football, football and baseball, in that order. There is a strog culture of sports, but not in basketball. What has more influence (and this has to be the norm in most communities) is the lack of a real vision by the Parks & Rec league. We had our 3rd game and the league director finally made a visit. To be fair, the director works 5 days a week, and coming in for a 6th day can't be too fun. But, other than “hey, let's have signups, do background checks and hand out a schedule,” that's about the amount of involvement. From there, it's every coach for themselves. Which is so nice, but not surprising to hear one coach say, “I'm competitive; I want to win!” Good for you, too bad for the players' LTAD. A player on his team literally stood still on offense while the ballhandler attack the basket. The kid never even touched the ball. What did he develop on Saturday? 

9:40 pm
January 22, 2012


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It's my argument that Parks & Rec and other organizations should have an adminsitrative person in charge of sign-ups, logistics, scheduling, etc., and a basketball person who is in charge of overseeing the coaches, assisting the coaches, running clinics for players and coaches, overseeing officials, etc. 

Hiring a basketball person to do the management aspct, while ignoring the basketball aspects leads to multiple inefficiencies, which at the end of the day make the programs less successful.

In youth basketball, you should have an idea of what you are getting when you sign up for a program. Instead, everything depends on the luck of the draw with the coach because there is no philosophy, no goals, no methodology, etc. 

6:28 pm
February 3, 2012


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Had practice today before our 4th game.


  1. Dynamic warmups (single-leg lunges; squats (land like a ninja); bounds; carioca; backwards jog; butt kickers)
  2. Pass and cut layups
  3. 3V2, 2V1
  4. Only had 6 players at the time, so we did 3v3, halfcourt, no dribbling
  5. When we had 8 players, we played team tag. 4 players were dribbling while 1 from the other team was a tagger. Each individual player had to race around and tag the other 4 who had to dribble and move. I kept track of the time (which quartet tagged the other the fastest) and the kids had a blast. They were really racing around, really getting out of breath.
  6. We have 3 games left (6 practices) so I'm focusing on having a little more fun (fun for the sake of fun and fun through games) that I did earlier in the year.
  7. Near year, I really want to focus much more on “motion spots.” I'll have a different set of kids (except for my son) which is kind of diffcult to start all over again. Hopefully the kids I had this year will carry over a few things, but I still know the use of the TGfU model, LTAD ideas are definitely not the norm in this league. Again, I'll always remember the coach who said “I'm competitive; I want to win.” This is with 3rd-4th graders.
  8. Maybe next year I can convince the administrator to let me give a talk to the rest of the coaches about usign TGfU models or LTAD ideas to see if that can slowly spark some earnest philosophical discussion.

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