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A Crossover season with 3rd/4th graders
February 10, 2012
8:54 PM
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Practiced today:

1. Dynamic warmups

2. Played \"pig,\" shooting game-like jumpers/layups/freethrows. Kids had fun. Practice the day before game has turned into more of a fun, lighter type of a practice. It's just rec league, and giving a little more autonomy to the kids is fine. So I ask them what dynamic warmups, layups, games (tag, shootiong, etc) they want to play. 

3. Played Foster's 1v1 for about 5 min

4. 5-10 minutes of Americanized netball

5. Scrimmaged for the final 25 minutes (of an hour) practice. 

February 11, 2012
9:00 PM
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Had another game today and I found myself caught up (during the game) in what the players cannot do. It's 3rd and 4th graders, so they cannot do a lot. Even things that you think would be completely obvious, like on a fast break, it's ok to guard the ball (seriously).

Any way, the past few hours, I've been thinking about how to address our weaknesses I saw in the game. In the past, with the high school teams I coached, we'd drill, of course.

However, after reading Crossover a few years ago, my post-game/pre-practice approach will be to do the following:

  • Play some sort of rebounding game (we were really bad at it today). Something like this: put a ball on the ground and keep the other play from touching it. Like boxing out for 20 seconds or so. The players are just not accustomed to purposely making contact when rebounding.
  • We are having a tough time pivoting properly. Need more work on Utah line drills
  • Lastly, we are stopping our dribble too much, way too far from the hoop. I need to think of some game that has players keep their dribble, dribbling into and then out of trouble.      

April 4, 2012
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Hey Brendan.

I am starting a little kids bball program grade 2 and grade 3.  Not really focused on playing more the experience of bball.  My question is when you teach shooting – do you do anything different with the little kids in terms of how you teach it?  do you do any games or visuals when you are teaching the techniques- do you focus on less things when and not stress the entire action?

Thanks in advance

AT

April 11, 2012
10:19 AM
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AT, since you are working with 2nd/3rd graders, shooting really means layups. Brian wrote about shooting layups in \"Crossover,\" (if you don't have it yet, I highly recommend it). He writes, \"Imagine a string running from the elbow to the knee; if the right elbow extends up, the right knee drives up.\"

They need to practice a variety of layups from a variety of angles. Half court, full court, top of the key, both sides. Have the kids aim for the square on the backboard. 

December 16, 2012
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So I'm coaching another season of 3rd/4th grade boys in a rec league and this year's team is very different (skill level) from last year's team.

In the the group I got last year, 7 of 9 kids could make a layup pretty much every time they tried on the first day of practice. This year, maybe 4 of 11 can make a layup. Many of the 3rd graders are very physically weak and it looks like 2-3 kids have never played any type of hoops, not even at recess.

However, I'm more pumped to help out this group this year, even though last year's team had some players that were pretty talented for their age. 

I get to coach my son again (he's a 4th grader and I don't want him being "coached," I want him taught), which has given me a bit of a measuring stick, comparing him at the start of last year's season to this year, and comparing him (he still has a long way to go) to the other 3rd graders to see what they need to learn.

I've spent a decent amount of time lately watching "Basketball Manitoba's videos" (especially the ones by Mike Mackay and Kirby Schepp on using teaching games), as well as continuing to read just about everything Brian posts. Here's the website for the Manitoba videos: basketballmb

 

I'm looking forward to teaching this year's team.

January 12, 2013
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This season is vastly different that last season.

Last year, the amount of experienced kids (7 out of 9) made it possible to work on many of the ideas that Brian has written about.

This year, 1 out of 11 kids has experience. With league rules mandating that each player plays 2 quarters, that works out ok when you have 10 players. With 11, some kids play less than that.

We've had 6 practices and many still don't know that you can't dribble after you stop. (Ideally, the league would be a 3V3 league, but alas, no).

Our game today was a prefect reason why I like the ideas and philosophy Brian espouses. We lost, but more of my players took shots and more of my players got to handle the ball. On the other team, in each quarter, there was one player who was the ball handler. They set screens for him to get to the hoop and that was their offense.

I'm trying to teach the spacing ideas by Mike Mackay (6 segments/rectangles) on offense, so, best case scenario, kids pass and cut. Ideally. It was (very) messy, but, again, at least a lot of kids go to handle the ball.

We only have 7 games in our league, so it's no wonder that basketball is dead in my town and that the high school varsity boys team is 0-13, and 0-4 in league (losing each league game by at least 30 points): too many youth league and middle school coaches are coaching only to win, not to develop.

January 13, 2013
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So, for fun, I went to go watch the 5th/6th grade boys play and was disappointed, but not surprised, to see coaching to win (short term) rather than coaching to develop (long term). In each quarter, for both teams, there was a clearly designated ball handler. One team's "PG" brought the ball up, called the "play" (usually, a ball screen for him to penetrate to the hoop) or a pass to the wing (but then the play called for him to get a back screen/return pass for a layup.

The other team's "PG" brought the ball up and kept attempting to pass to their 6-foot center, except that the other team kept stealing that entry pass.

Out of 10 kids, I saw 5 kids touch the ball. Of the 5, except for the PGs, the others dribbled less than a minute.

This is no way to develop players.

January 13, 2013
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Interesting. That's one reason why 3v3 is superior for development. 

At the beginning of the season, guys on my team and my assistant would yell at the taller guys to pass the ball instead of dribbling. I ended that quickly. However, it shows how they've been coached previously. Tall guys aren't supposed to dribble.

I even heard some of my guys saying it during the sophomore game; in my opinion the best PG on the sophomore team is the 2nd or 3rd tallest guy on the team. Why tell him not to dribble? Again, it wasn't the coach – it was his classmates. 

January 13, 2013
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I see that learned behavior in high school kids (well, younger kids, too) when coaches are complaining about the referring, the kids do it too. It's learned behavior. (This also reminds me of your recent re-post of the Durant/Nowitzki + height . Really, it's a miracle somebody didn't force Durant down into the post in middle school.)

January 13, 2013
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I encouraged the tallest player on my team to be a wing last season. He was a 6'7 freshman. He just doesn't have the body to be a post, and he was one of the better shooters. He could block shots, so he was fine in the post on defense, but I told the varsity coach that he'd be a small forward if he's still playing when it's time to play varsity.

When his dad asked what he should do in the off-season, I encouraged him to work on lateral quickness and jumping ability. I think most people would have focused on upper body strength, which eh could stand to improve too, but his success will ultimately based on his agility, not his strength. 

I'm always torn because I like to get the ball inside to post players, but I never want to pigeon-hole a player into being a post player at a young age. This year, I kind of waited and watched where they went naturally and play them there. My center is probably my 5th or 6th tallest player (football lineman). 

January 15, 2013
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I'm guess it's the peak-by-Friday/win-now mentality. I had a 6-1 athletic post (girl) as a freshman on varsity and I wanted her to be able to play both wing and post as 1) I had 3 other 6-footers whom were bulky, slow posts, not wings; and b) she was good enough to get a D-I scholarship at a Pac10 school playing, you guessed it, a wing/post combo. (Nobody could see that at 6-1, that's not post material at a D-1 school).

I got a lot of resistance (parents, others) when I was putting her in ball handling & guard drills, even though she was the second fastest player on the team.

January 16, 2013
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Of course, I also see it the other way. I see 6'1 girls (or 6'7-6'9 guys) who could dominate in the post, and who have the size and strength to be college post players, but they are anemic to the paint because a coach/trainer/father is convinced their ticket to the WNBA is as a 2/3, so they are a mediocre 2/3 instead of a dominant 4/5. A 6'1 girl will still get a scholarship offer because of her size, but may never reach her potential because the coach/trainer/father is fixated on her being something that she may never be rather than maximizing what she clearly is.

January 16, 2013
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That's a fair point. It's useful to get other opinions, which is why I really like this site. It's why coaches, like teachers (are hopefully doing), need to dialogue with other coaches to "stay sharp." I have too many veteran teaching colleagues whom are incurious about their profession and don't really ask question pedagogy in their profession, and choose to do what they have always done.

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