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Is Zone Defense Bad for Youth Basketball?
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3:52 pm
June 30, 2010


180shooter

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Today I watched a video that vilified zone defenses and presses in youth basketball. Now, I am a man-to-man coach and played in man-to-man defense only leagues when I was young. However, as long as zone defenses are legal, I do not see why youth leagues should prohibit them or why coaches should be discouraged from employing them.

Before getting too deep into the argument, I suppose that I should frame the age groups. The video mentioned that zones should not be used before high school. Therefore, our conversation centers on u14s. Now, I do not even believe that players need to play organized basketball until they are 8 or 9. When players begin organized basketball, I believe that they should play 3v3 games, not 5v5 (more on this below), which is why I created the Playmakers Basketball Development Leagues. I do not see a need for 5v5 games until players are 10 years old or older, so the argument of zones or no zones has to do with the 10-14 year-old age group.

What is the argument against zones and presses?

Generally, coaches feel that zones and presses are lazy. Coaches imagine other coaches stationing five players in the key to force jump shots and protect the basket. Of course, this happens. I have heard of coaches who play a 2-3 zone defense and literally tell the bottom three defenders to stand on the block, in the middle of the key and on the block, respectively, and not to move. To prevent this type of lazy coaching, coaches vilify all zone defenses.

Of course, I also know coaches who play man-to-man defense and tell 1-2 players not to worry about their players (the weaker players) and concentrate solely on help defense. However, nobody suggests outlawing man defense because of this type of over-competitiveness.

Coaches believe that teams who play zone defense force young, unskilled players into outside shots which they cannot make consistently. They believe that presses benefit the biggest, strongest players who overwhelm young players who lack the strength to exploit the entire court.

To me, the answer is not to outlaw zone defenses. How does ignoring the problem (inconsistent shooting, lack of strength, lack of passing under pressure) help anyone?

The problem is one of spacing, which is easily fixed by reducing the number of players on the court. In top European soccer academies, players do not play full 11v11 games until they are 11 or 12-years-old. They start with small-sided games using a smaller field to encourage more touches for each player and to make the game more manageable.

In basketball, when a team employs a zone defense and packs in the defense against a youth team, it condenses the space. The offense cannot use the entire width of the court; well, it can use the entire width, but due to a lack of skill, the defense does not play the entire width. Of course, a team can do the same with man-to-man defense as well: if the coach knows that nobody on the opposition can shoot a three-pointer, his defender can back off several feet and play the passing lanes.

The answer is not strategy, but structure. Fewer players on the court opens more space for players to practice their skills. Fewer players on the court means more touches for each player.

The same is true for a press. Presses work against younger teams because players lack the strength to throw over top of the press. Therefore, the defense can shrink the court and put all five defenders in the back court. Of course, a team can do the same thing with a man defense too, especially with the press breaks that most teams employ. If using fewer players, there is plenty of space for offensive players, and the press cannot condense to space or overwhelm the offensive players.

Why is the argument against zones just semantics?

One cannot play good man-to-man team defense with understanding zone principles and one cannot play good zone defense without understanding man-to-man principles. For this reason, no youth teams play really good team defense.

Let’s look at a generic 2-3 zone defense (played well) versus a good man-to-man defense:

2-3 Zone

This is a very generic defense and a very generic play. However, in a basic 1-3-1 set against a 2-3 zone, the point passes to the wing and cuts to the corner. One of the top defenders (O1) takes the ball and the other (O2) takes the high post. The bottom outside defender (O3) takes the corner, the middle defender (O5) fronts the low post and the weak-side baseline defender (o4) helps in the middle of the key.

Man Defense

In the man-to-man example, the offense starts in the same 1-3-1 set and runs the point to the corner to create a strong-side triangle. The defense defends in the same manner as above, except different defenders defend different positions. O2 takes the wing; O1 follows the point to the corner; O4 fronts the low post; O5 takes the high post; and O3 helps in the middle of the key.

The basic difference between man-to-man and zone defenses is the way that the defense defends cutters (with or without screens). In man-to-man defense, defenders deny and follow cutters to a point and then deny or play help-side defense; in zone defenses, defenders follow and release the cutter to the next defender and then recover to their zone.

However, strong-side defense and weak-side defense remain largely the same. On the strong-side, someone defends the ball and a defender is responsible for a quick closeout to any perimeter players, while a defender typically denies any penetrating pass into the post (low or high), though some zones at the college level are designed to force mid-range jump shots, so they do not cover the high post too closely and concentrate more on the three-point line and low post, like many college man-to-man defenses.  On the weak-side, the defenders play with one foot in the key, two feet in the key or on the mid-line, depending on the amount of help defense.

Therefore, when the ball is passed to the wing, a player has essentially the same amount of time and space to execute a move against a good man-to-man defense as against a good zone defense.

Obviously, man and zone defenses and offenses can be far more complicated. However, if the argument is that the players are young, unskilled and inexperienced, would they be doing anything more than the most rudimentary cuts and rotations in man or zone? If a team has a sophisticated man or zone defense or offense with an u11 team, the coach probably is spending far too much time on strategy and not enough time developing general individual and team skills. Therefore, again, the problem is not zone vs. man, but strategy vs. skill development.

If man-to-man and zone defenses are so similar, what is the argument?

When coaches argue against zone defenses and presses at young ages, they make two arguments:

1) They argue against poorly taught or lazy defense, and they blame zones for this.

2) They argue against exploiting unskilled players.

Prohibiting zone defenses does not fix either of these problems. In fact, prohibiting zones could exacerbate the second problem. If zones are prohibited, it is tough to play good help defense. My team when I was young was often called for violations because we played help defense with a foot in the key, as most high school coaches teach. But, if outlawing zone defense, how do you differentiate between good help defense and zone defense?

Therefore, if you prohibit good help defense in the name of outlawing zone defense, the biggest, strongest player has a better opportunity to dominate single-handedly. The best player dribbles the ball up the court, beats his own defender and other help defenders are hamstrung or late because they are a step too far out of position because of the anti-zone defense rule. Therefore, he gets to the basket with ease and scores. On defense, it is easy to put the biggest, strongest player on the ball, teach the wings to deny everything hard and easily exploit weaker, unskilled players with man-to-man pressure.

As for the first problem, their issue is not with zones but poor teaching. I am also against poor teaching. However, I think that man defense can be as overwhelming and poorly taught as zones.

To fix these issues, we need to do two things:

1) Employ more age-appropriate games for young players;

2) Examine teaching methods of zone and man defenses without viewing zones as a four-letter word.

In the first case, if players are unskilled or lack the strength to play against a zone defense, they probably lack the skill and strength to play against man defense as well. The problem is not the defense, but the space. Young, inexperienced and unskilled players need more space and time to execute their skills. Therefore, these players should not play 5v5 leagues, regardless of the defense. Criticizing zones does not get to the root of the problem. The root of the problem is a need to create more space and time for players and to get each player more touches so that every player can develop his skills so he has confidence when he moves to a 5v5 game, regardless of defense.

In the second case, we need those who oversee leagues to act more in a role of “coaching the coaches” than just administrating. League directors should assist coaches and encourage good teaching techniques. Zone defense is not the enemy – poor teaching is the enemy. We need to remember the difference. It is possible to play great zone defense and teach players many useful skills that they can transfer from season to season regardless of the defense that their next coach employs.


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9:28 am
July 2, 2010


Ewaehner

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I appreciated this post as it got me thinking differently about my personal opposition to zone defenses at age 10 & 11.  

Upon greater reflection, I think what I really struggle with is the ability to prepare 10/11 year olds for all of the different situations they may confront if there are not some “restrictions” on defenses.   I don't want to spend my limited practice time teaching approach to attack 1-3-1 half court trap to prepare for Team A,  preparing for 3-2 zone from Team B, preparing for 2-2-1 full court press from Team C, etc.

If you are coaching in 'open' leagues or tournaments how do you balance this tactical “need” versus skill development/broader fundamentals.

10:48 am
July 2, 2010


admin

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Good point. The simplest answer is that at 10/11 winning is secondary to development. If you believe that, losing a game because you don't have a great offense to attack a 1-3-1 zone should not matter too much. I told my team after an early season game not to worry about the loss because we did not have a zone offense yet; we had not had the time to worry about it yet. Did it show a lack of preparation on my part? Sure, if winning every game is the only goal. However, in the end, I think the results took care of themselves because of the gradual progressions throughout the season.

More to the point, however, I think one can pick a couple simple skills to use to play against any zone defense and incorporate these skills with technical skill sessions during practice. For instance, we penetrated baseline against zones this year and tried to get the rotation and then pass to the post diving down the middle of the lane. So, we did a normal 2v1 drill, but we started from the angle at which our drives started in games and the cutter started at the free throw line. The 2v1 drill practices basic reading of the defense, lay-ups, passing against a defender, etc.  but the drill also reinforced one of our basic offensive concepts.

Finally, we used one offense against every team that we played regardless of their defense. This was at the JV high school level. We focused on basket cuts and pick-and-rolls all season. We never even got to off-ball screens. We just spent a little time explaining the differences in where to attack against a zone vs a man defense. Where are the gaps? Where is the defense vulnerable? If the first cut isn't open, who should do what? So, with one basic set, we used a principle-based offense that forced players, some of whom had never played basketball before, to learn to read defenders and use simple skills (cut and fill, PnR) against any type of defense. Because, at the end of the day, running a high on-ball screen against a 2-3 zone is just like running it against a team that switches everything and has good help-side defense. If you can run it against the 2-3, running it against a switching defense or good help-side becomes easier, as it's just like playing against the zone. The key was recognizing that every cut or every screen does not have to lead directly to a shot, but sometimes the PnR action requires two passes to find the open player. When he got to that point, the defense didn't really matter anymore. 

2:00 pm
October 7, 2010


Coach T

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I would firstly like to say that I am a fan of the man to man defense myself in the basic sense. But I do not agree with those who argue that zones are bad for young basketball players. I actually believe the contrary when speaking of 8-12 year olds.

As far as those who say that a coach can pack the paint and force outside shots, I would say that a coach who is doing this can't call himself a good coach. Even out of a zone set defense should be defense! But if a coach in our league, even witht he 8-9 year old teams chose to use this method his team would pay for it dearly. We have a very, very competitive league, and if a team packs it in, more than likely another team will kill them from the perimeter. Bad idea. But I am quite O.K. with the zone in youth basketball.

Our league allows the zone, almost all teams play a form of it, and none of them are lazy. if a team of 10-12 year olds in our league would have tryed to play us the whole time in a man to man we would have destroyed them. In our league you can't solely run a man to man. A team that does will get beat every game, period! Especially against a team that has one or two good players. Those on or two good players will dominate a youth man to man.

I have personally seen the stricly man to man leagues, ages 8-12, and I have not been impressed. Man to man prinicples are something that takes hours, days, and months to begin to get the hang of. If you look at the majority of these “man to man only” types of leagues, you will see that most of the players, with the exception of a few very smart and talented kids, really do nothing but run around like a bunch of chickens with there heads cut off. It is chaotic. There may be a few, but not many, who can make this work.

Although i am a fan of the “man to man”, I believe a zone is the simplist, less chaotic, and most beneficial form of defense for youth basketball players. What a coach should do is begin to implement and teach good man to man principles such as “help and recover”, “man-and-ball”, etc, out of the zone. i know this is possible to do because this is what we do with our kids who play for us, and I know it works. Both for effective learning, skills, and competition.

Just my opinion, from my experience. Thanks!

Coach Tim: Simply Youth Basketball

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